1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,880 This programme contains discriminatory language 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,560 HOME VIDEO PLAYS 3 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:07,760 Huh? 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,200 MICHAEL JACKSON: I think every child is born to do a certain thing. 5 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:23,480 I knew I wanted to be a...a star. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,160 HE GIGGLES 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,120 Just being on the stage. 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,520 Just looking out over a sea of faces... 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,680 CHEERING AND SCREAMING 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,400 ..when they're chanting and screaming. 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,440 And I wanted it. 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,400 Because I wanted to be loved. 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,840 That's the real truth - I wanted people to truly love me. 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,840 A lot of people ask, who was Michael Jackson really? 15 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,200 I mean, he was a child star 16 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,440 who became the most famous man on the planet. 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,960 LOUD CHEERING 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,880 This is a man who changed the music industry. 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,480 I mean, he is a musical genius. 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,400 But he was also accused of abusing children... 21 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,400 ..and died without a cent to his name. 22 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,920 I mean, this is the ultimate story 23 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,440 of power, celebrity 24 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,640 and money. 25 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,400 CROWD SCREAMS 26 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,320 And now the battle is raging for the truth 27 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,400 and Michael Jackson's legacy. 28 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,360 The number one artist in the world! 29 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,760 That level of megastardom is not healthy. 30 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,440 People are not gods. 31 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police 32 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,760 of multiple felony counts of child molestation. 33 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,200 The Jackson machine just keeps right on rolling. 34 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,440 Are you guys ready for me? 35 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,760 Whenever you're ready. 36 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,600 People don't know my brother. 37 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,000 They never did. 38 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,760 They thought they did. 39 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,040 And I think it's important for 40 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,840 the public, the world, to see... 41 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,840 ..I don't want to say the truth, 42 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,240 but from a family member's perspective. 43 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,840 And that's important to me, 44 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,400 so you get it right and you understand, 45 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,960 as opposed to reading nonsensical things in the media. 46 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,280 INTERVIEWER: What do you do mostly? 47 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,720 I mean, you know, in your spare time. 48 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,560 Sports. Yeah. 49 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,760 Messing around. 50 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,720 I go swimming all the time. 51 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,920 Like swimming. 52 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,120 And play basketball. 53 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,920 Catching lizards and things. Messing around. 54 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,480 My memory of Mike is 55 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,080 basically a child 56 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,400 that was far older than his age. 57 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,680 Mike was always just feisty. 58 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,720 No. Sit down. 59 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,240 Now, I would like to show you... 60 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,040 As young kids, we would have a photo shoot. 61 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,040 He would stand there, and then he would get out the picture and say, 62 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,400 "No, put Jermaine here, Jackie here, and I will be in the middle." 63 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,080 And this is a little kid talking to his siblings. 64 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,800 ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: Northwestern Indiana is not like any other part 65 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,440 of the state because it is solely industrial. 66 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,520 One factory next to another for miles. 67 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,120 The negro population of Gary, Indiana is 45.8%, 68 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,600 the highest percentage in any city north of the Mason-Dixon line. 69 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,040 Growing up in Indiana, 70 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,880 it was humble beginnings. 71 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,000 My father, Joseph, worked in the steel mills. 72 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,120 And we were a large family from a small home. 73 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,240 It was two bedrooms. 74 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,640 In one of the rooms, the brothers slept and there were six bunk beds. 75 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,800 And my sisters and I, we slept on a, a let-out sofa in the living room. 76 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,280 We were a family that loved music. 77 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,040 And when Mike was around eight or nine, 78 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,120 he would do riffs constantly 79 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,240 and no matter what you would sing to him, he would do it even better. 80 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,000 My father, he saw them performing together and he says, 81 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 "Geez." 82 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,400 He became their manager 83 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,760 because he saw a bigger and brighter future. 84 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,920 They used to do shows, what they called back then, 85 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,720 was the Chitlin' Circuit. 86 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,200 It was famous black artists, 87 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,000 but they were performing for a black audience. 88 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,520 Don't be afraid. Don't be ashamed. 89 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,840 We want black power. 90 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:32,360 We want black power. 91 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,360 We want black power. 92 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,760 To perform during that period of time was very challenging, 93 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,920 based on the fact that we were kind of relegated 94 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,920 to certain areas of our country 95 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,600 and not very welcome in some parts. 96 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,480 But we learned how to deal with it 97 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,280 and how to break down the barrier 98 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:01,440 that they thought they put in front of us. 99 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,200 # ..I know 100 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:25,320 # And bring it back to Tobacco Road. # 101 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,400 I met Michael when they were coming in to audition to be on Motown. 102 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,000 I had to kind of just look at him and shake my head. 103 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,240 I said, "My God, this kid is amazing." 104 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,280 It was an exciting time. 105 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,960 They wanted it so badly. 106 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,800 And then finally, there they are, signed to Motown. 107 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,200 # When I had you to myself 108 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,600 # I didn't want you around 109 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,160 # Those pretty faces always made you 110 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,480 # Stand out in the crowd 111 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,160 # Cos someone picked you from the bunch... # 112 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Michael, he had something that nobody else had, 113 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,360 and his performances were meticulously done. 114 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,160 Watching their growth over their years 115 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,800 was sensational. 116 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,600 We've got some great guests - the incredible Jackson 5. 117 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,440 CHEERING 118 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,440 One of the hottest recording groups today is the Jackson 5. 119 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,280 The only American group to have four consecutive number one records. 120 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,760 Kids nowadays don't know how big the Jackson 5 were. 121 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,800 They were our Beatles, our black royalty. 122 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,360 You had Beatlemania, you had Jacksonmania. 123 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,120 SCREAMING 124 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,440 REPORTER: Not since the heyday of the Beatles, has the music world 125 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,040 seen anything like the Jackson 5, 126 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,480 about to receive yet another platinum record. 127 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,560 But you have to give a lot of credit to the original Jackson two - 128 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:59,400 Mr and Mrs Joe Jackson. 129 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,840 I decided to deal with the boys 130 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,480 as much as I possibly can, 131 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,000 getting them prepared to be in show business. 132 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,040 They come to us originally from Gary, Indiana - 133 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,640 the Jackson 5. 134 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,640 APPLAUSE 135 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,320 It was just amazing... 136 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,320 ..to see this black family post-segregation 137 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,000 who were so famous... 138 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,640 ..and that you could identify with. 139 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,840 Showed black people that we can make it in America. 140 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,520 ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: It's called Los Angeles, the city of the angels. 141 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,680 People from all over the world, 142 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:53,640 drawn by a city of limitless boundaries 143 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,400 and one that offers unlimited opportunity. 144 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:04,640 Growing up in Indiana, 145 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,880 Mike would have this little projector thing 146 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,800 that you put over your eyes and you would click it 147 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,960 and it would show a different slide of LA. 148 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,560 He would say, "Oh, this is so beautiful. 149 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:17,480 "I would love to live there one day." 150 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,920 So moving to Los Angeles 151 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,840 was simply amazing. 152 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,240 We were so elated and excited just to see the beauty of the city. 153 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,080 And it was such a different life. 154 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,720 We moved to this huge mansion 155 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,720 and my father just said, 156 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,160 "I think this will be a perfect place." 157 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,320 And you know, what my father said goes. 158 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,680 Let's introduce Mr Joe Jackson, 159 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:54,280 the father of... 160 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,600 APPLAUSE DROWNS SPEECH 161 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,040 There you are. There you are. 162 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 OK. We're going to find out who's boss around here. 163 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,840 Do you have to ever discipline this lively group you've got here? 164 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,240 I have a way, you know, like when Randy don't do right, 165 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,680 we make him take out all the garbage or something. 166 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:21,720 Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, but what about Michael? 167 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,040 If Michael... Michael always does right? 168 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,200 Is he always...? No, not all the time. 169 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,560 The way we discipline Michael is sort of like, 170 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:32,440 we don't give him as much money to spend. 171 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Mikey. 172 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,160 Do you think it's a good profession for them? 173 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,320 Yes, I like for them to... 174 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,520 I moved to Los Angeles... 175 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,920 ..to work for the family 176 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,160 out of Joseph's office. 177 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,480 When Joseph spoke to me about coming to work for the boys, 178 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,840 he presented himself as a really concerned, loving father. 179 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,000 Joseph grew up dirt poor 180 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,200 before civil rights. 181 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,480 And to take from nothing 182 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,440 and build that act was huge. 183 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,560 And all of a sudden, now he's living in a wealthy house in Encino, 184 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,280 he's got a Rolls-Royce. 185 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,240 He really was chasing the American dream. 186 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,360 At that point, they were portrayed as this happy, loving family. 187 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:34,320 But my experience, can't speak for anybody else's, 188 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,120 but my experience of what I saw, 189 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,600 that was the farthest thing from the truth. 190 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,160 I went to high school with Michael's baby sister, Janet, 191 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,920 and Michael was also a very close friend. 192 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,280 When I would be there and Joseph would pull in, 193 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,200 you know, the speaker or the phone would ring and it would be like, 194 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,880 "Joseph's here," and everyone's like, "Oh, God, Joseph's here." 195 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,240 We weren't that, you know, savvy back then about this stuff. 196 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,760 But knowing that there was just weirdness. 197 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,680 I found out later Joseph... 198 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,360 ..had done some really awful stuff. 199 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,760 Joseph would put Michael in the closet, 200 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,000 in the dressing room, in the dark and lock it 201 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,360 so that he was...he would do what Joseph would tell him to do, 202 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,440 And nobody figured out what was going on. 203 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,080 He wasn't as cruel as people think. 204 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,160 But Mike had a fear of my father, we all did 205 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,240 because we felt, "OK, what did we do wrong? 206 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,160 "He's going to discipline us." 207 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,760 And you were kind of afraid of that. 208 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,920 It just put something in your belly 209 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,640 and you would say to yourself, 210 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:40,800 "Oh, no." 211 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,320 His eyebrows would grow, go up 212 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,360 and his eyes would turn... 213 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,120 ..a deeper green, 214 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,040 a deeper green than they were. 215 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,680 And you knew he was angry. 216 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,080 Everybody would say, "I don't want to get in trouble 217 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,320 "because Joseph's going to strangle us." 218 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,120 We're right, almost in the middle of a recording session 219 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,600 with the Jacksons, 220 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,040 and we're going to bring the boys in right now. 221 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,400 All five of them. 222 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,000 Here they are. 223 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,480 Now, I don't have to give any introduction to these gentlemen, 224 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,880 do I? 225 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,680 You knew them originally as the Jackson 5. 226 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:33,960 They're the Jacksons now. 227 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,800 They record on Epic. 228 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,840 This is really a special picture to me. 229 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,080 Both of our hair is kind of big. 230 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,080 His face looks completely different. 231 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,240 So this was earlier, I guess. 232 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,360 He still looks like a great looking kid, you know. 233 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,320 When the Jackson 5 came to Epic, 234 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,720 they were a good pop group. 235 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,200 But Michael was so much the centre of it, 236 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,840 the star. 237 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,240 He just wanted to be perfect in a way. 238 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,920 He wanted to be the best dancer ever 239 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,840 and best singer, 240 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,760 the best entertainer. 241 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,520 He wanted to be a great. 242 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,080 You guys are really riding a big high now, 243 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,440 as far as producing records and so on. 244 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,320 Do you think this is the peak of your career now, 245 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,040 or have you gone down a little bit? 246 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,040 Are you expecting bigger and better things? 247 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,040 Well, we're looking forward to doing other things, 248 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,040 like producing other people 249 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,520 and producing ourselves in the future 250 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,760 and going into acting and that type of thing. 251 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,960 LOUD TRAFFIC DIN 252 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,120 ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: New York is the most exciting city in the world, 253 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,560 but New York has never seen anything like The Wiz, 254 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,680 a new musical motion picture being made here that stars Diana Ross. 255 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,240 The Wiz was the black version of The Wizard of Oz. 256 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,800 And Michael really wanted to be in that movie. 257 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,600 My father didn't want him to venture off into movies... 258 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,080 ..because he felt it would break up the group, 259 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,440 and he would go in a different direction, 260 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,120 and he wanted to keep the brothers together. 261 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:26,120 As he always said, "I want to keep my boys together." 262 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:28,360 But this is something that Mike saw. 263 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:31,560 He loved opportunity and he went for it. 264 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,680 How did you feel when you heard you got the part in The Wiz? 265 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,600 And especially playing with Diana Ross. 266 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,840 I was very happy. 267 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,360 I would talk to Diana on the phone. 268 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:54,080 I'd say, "You're going to film The Wiz next week, huh?" 269 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,360 Or next month. And she would say, "Yeah." 270 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:58,200 Next thing I notice, I was in it. 271 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,920 Mike and I were extremely close. 272 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,280 So we moved to New York together. 273 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,800 And going to set every day, 274 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,520 he just embraced it with great joy. 275 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,080 But most of all, what he would always say, 276 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,680 "I'm learning so much, LaToya. You have no idea." 277 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Hey, fellas, is today the day you're going to help me get down from here? 278 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,440 ALL: Help you down? 279 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,320 What is going down 280 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,800 in that hayloft you call a head? 281 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,520 Living in New York, 282 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,000 we were so used to being with family, 283 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,360 being controlled by my father, 284 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:48,880 but, yeah, you could do what you wanted. 285 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,040 It was so wonderful. 286 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,520 DISCO MUSIC PLAYS 287 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,480 Is Michael there? 288 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,880 Hi, Michael. Come on in. You can come right in. Hi. 289 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,520 How are you? 290 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,440 You just walked in. How are you? 291 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,040 Michael, this is Jane Hall. Excuse me. Come sit over here. 292 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,000 It's been a long day for you, and you're unwinding here? 293 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,520 Erm, you mean today? 294 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,000 No. We're all finished with the movie, but I'm just relaxing now. 295 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,280 Just hanging out in New York. Yes. Studio 54! 296 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,600 When you hear the name Studio 54, 297 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,960 what... What does that do? Does your pulse quicken 298 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,520 and your feet start moving? 299 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,640 Yeah. I'm ready to have a good time. 300 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,200 It's where you come when you want to escape. 301 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,040 It's really escapism. 302 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,760 But you're Michael Jackson, you don't have it so bad. 303 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,240 What are you escaping from? 304 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,800 I'm not escaping from anything. 305 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,480 It's just a change of pace. 306 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,320 Right... It is a change of pace. 307 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,040 He doesn't escape from anything. 308 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,960 If anything, he's one of those people who are very recognisable... 309 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,920 Doing The Wiz 310 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,960 and all the work that he had done... 311 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,960 ..and the growth that came with it... 312 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,880 ..took him mentally in a different direction, 313 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,160 saying, "I want to do a solo album." 314 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,160 By Michael doing The Wiz, he had a chance to meet 315 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,720 great composer, arranger - Quincy Jones. 316 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,840 And Quincy had worked with Sinatra, 317 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,680 I mean, the greatest music people ever. 318 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,200 PHONE RINGS 319 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,200 MICHAEL JACKSON: I called Quincy up one day. 320 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,080 I said, "Quincy, I'm ready to do an album, a solo album. 321 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,480 "But I want a real good producer to work with me." 322 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,360 I said, "Can you recommend somebody?" 323 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,720 And he said, "Why don't you let me do it?" 324 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,320 # Whoa! 325 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,800 # Lovely... # 326 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,040 I remember getting a copy of Off the Wall, 327 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,360 and when I heard Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, 328 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:26,520 I was just astonished to hear, "Oh, my gosh." 329 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,320 I said, "Michael, this is going to be... 330 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,560 .."it's going to be phenomenal." 331 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,160 This is the album that's caused the storm right around the world. 332 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,920 It's Michael's Off the Wall album 333 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,520 and, hopefully, we've got Michael in LA on the phone now. 334 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,560 Let's have this. Oh, here we go. 335 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,320 Hello. Michael? Hello. How are you? 336 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,320 He's the first artist to have four top ten singles 337 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,360 with his Off the Wall album. 338 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:57,080 He keeps breaking records. It's just amazing. 339 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,400 Oh! 340 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:05,840 It had to happen. 341 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,080 I feel like I'm overawed. 342 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,960 He had earned the right to be Michael. 343 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,040 CROWD SCREAMS 344 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,120 He felt that it's now my time. 345 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,080 CHATTERING 346 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Mayor? OK. 347 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,560 Let's get the mayor back here. 348 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Yeah. 349 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,080 I'm rolling. 350 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,920 Hey, guys. What'd you think of this? 351 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,840 Were you ever afraid when you saw that big crowd? 352 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,680 Never afraid. Never afraid. 353 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,600 It's a lot of excitement and it's nice to see the fans all come out 354 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,000 to greet us at the airport. I think it's, I think it's wonderful. 355 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,520 What do you have to say for Atlanta? 356 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,160 I'll start here. 357 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,800 Love it, I can't wait, tomorrow night. 358 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,200 I love it. 359 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,800 We love you, Atlanta. 360 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,240 We love you very much. 361 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,200 Tomorrow night, everybody be out there 362 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,280 because we're going to do our best. Have a good time. 363 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,200 INTERVIEWER: At this point, Michael really is kind of the mainstay 364 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,320 of the Jacksons. Has it always been that way? 365 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Um, yes. Yes. 366 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,080 Michael has always been sort of the star? 367 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,680 Yeah. He's been highlighted the most cos he's the lead singer 368 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,360 and he's up front, you know. 369 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,440 As a little kid, we put him up front because he danced so much 370 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,680 and had so much energy. 371 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,600 I think my brothers, 372 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,640 some of them felt that once he do this, 373 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760 he's never coming back. 374 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,600 He's going to abandon us. 375 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,080 And that was kind of disturbing to some of them. 376 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,560 And then the others were just, "Well, let's see where it goes. 377 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,280 "Let's see where it leads." 378 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,960 I remember the boys being in the office, 379 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,280 and one of them distinctly said if it wasn't for them, 380 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,520 Michael wouldn't be who he was because they were the ones, 381 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,720 and Joseph was the one who made Michael who he is 382 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,880 and he basically wouldn't be shit without them. 383 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,000 And it was them that built him. 384 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000 And Michael's just sitting there listening to this. 385 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,240 And he sat there and he took it. 386 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,600 I just remember thinking, 387 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,320 "How mean. Why are you guys being so mean to him?" 388 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,240 I just, I wanted to go in and, like, hurt them 389 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,760 because they were being mean to Mike. 390 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,080 SHOUTING AND SCREAMING 391 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,560 I think Michael had grown up feeling under Joseph 392 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,880 that he wasn't anything more than a commodity. 393 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,840 And I think in that moment it crystallised for Michael 394 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,080 that he was nothing more than a commodity to his brothers. 395 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,320 And I think it broke his heart. 396 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,560 Oh, hi, Steve. I didn't see you. 397 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,640 Fine. How are you? 398 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,880 If things got difficult for Mike, 399 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,400 he always had a very loving relationship with my mother. 400 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,000 It was a very... 401 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,360 ..trusted relationship. 402 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,240 If something upset him, she would always make sense out of everything. 403 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,880 # Don't look so sad... # 404 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,680 This is one of your favourite songs. 405 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,720 # I know it's... # 406 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,600 My mother was a very religious person. 407 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,760 She was a Jehovah Witness. 408 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,720 And she always thought if you had a personal relationship with God, 409 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,720 then he would show you the way. 410 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,840 It's strange being back here. 411 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,800 I haven't lived here for many years. 412 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,400 Yeah, it was such a strange time, you know, with Michael being 413 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,080 suddenly so famous 414 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,840 and we're just going door-to-door trying to save souls. 415 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,720 Michael would say, 416 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,480 "Hi, my name is Joe." 417 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,920 That was his middle name, so he wasn't lying. 418 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,400 "This is my friend Christian. 419 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,400 "We're here to talk to you about the wonderful hope of God's kingdom." 420 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,720 And the people would kind of stare. 421 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,560 They would think, 422 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,040 that guy really looks like Michael Jackson. 423 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,040 You can kind of see it in their eyes. 424 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,680 The Jehovah's Witnesses are millennialists, 425 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,680 so they believe that Armageddon is coming any day now, 426 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,080 when God's going to cleanse the Earth of all the evil people. 427 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,440 And so our job as Jehovah's Witnesses was to go door-to-door 428 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,200 and try to recruit people to save them 429 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,960 so that they could join the religion and then, you know, 430 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,680 hopefully make it into the paradise that was going to come. 431 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,480 Michael had a tough upbringing, and I think that he had a, you know, 432 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,520 fantastical view of what he wanted the world to be. 433 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,960 And I think this idea of, uh, 434 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040 God bringing a paradise just was very appealing. 435 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,960 And I think that was a big part of his enthusiasm 436 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,000 for going door-to-door, he genuinely wanted to tell people. 437 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,120 MICHAEL JACKSON: We did missionary work door-to-door. 438 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,360 We did 90 hours a month. 439 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,720 It was just a wonderful time for me because it allowed me 440 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,600 to get out into society and to see people. 441 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,760 I was totally deprived of seeing people open their doors. 442 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,800 I don't go to other people's houses. I don't know what they live like. 443 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,360 So when they would open the door and say, "Come in," I would come in. 444 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,200 I was 15 when we started hanging out together. 445 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,600 I think he felt safe with us 446 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,320 because he had no other space where he didn't have something, 447 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,560 some place where people wanted something from him 448 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,080 because of his fame. 449 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,920 We just liked him because of who he was, 450 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560 and that he was part of this joint community 451 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,760 where we were all working to do God's will. 452 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,920 But at the same time, I think he was conflicted about who he was. 453 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,560 Because, even though he was very devout, 454 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,480 I think Michael had a lot of ambition 455 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,560 around being perceived as 456 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,840 very successful, very talented. 457 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,480 He was raised in this paradigm 458 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,280 where success is how you get validation, right, 459 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,080 and from the time he was a little kid. 460 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,720 So I don't think he ever lost that. 461 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,520 Michael sometimes would stand in front of a mirror 462 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,640 and say "100 million, 100 million," 463 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,640 because he was he wanted to sell 100 million albums 464 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,200 on his next album. 465 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,200 And I think that really fed him. 466 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,400 Michael's ambition, I believe, 467 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,240 was to make the greatest album ever heard. 468 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,560 But he also knew the power of motion pictures. 469 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,960 He wanted to use video to drive sales. 470 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,480 I mean, rock bands have been doing that for years. 471 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,760 I'm not like the other guys. 472 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,520 I mean, I'm different. 473 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,080 Um... 474 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,480 I'm a monster. 475 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,280 Michael, I think this is going to be the Citizen Kane of the videos. 476 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,200 I really do. It's going to be the most revolutionary thing 477 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,440 in the history of videos, you know? 478 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,680 I mean, it's a new art form now, but I think this is leading the way. 479 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,200 Beat It and this one is leading the way. 480 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,400 What a great looking kid. 481 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,240 Film-makers, they usually know 482 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,240 when they have something. 483 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,720 And I knew we had something. 484 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,120 Music video was new at that time 485 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,800 and this is pre-internet. 486 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,320 And Michael's videos were special. 487 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,600 You could tell. 488 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,840 Some prominent black musicians are complaining 489 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160 that they are being left out of the video market, 490 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,320 specifically the music television cable operation. 491 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,800 We are looking for a certain sound and a certain point of view. 492 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,480 Bob Pittman is the 29-year-old whiz kid who created MTV 493 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,120 after a successful career as a radio station programme director. 494 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,960 We are not all things to all people. 495 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,320 We are cable television. 496 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,120 And what cable television does best is specialise - 497 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,920 one thing per channel - so you know exactly what you're getting 498 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,240 when you turn on the channel. 499 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880 It was almost impossible for a black artist to get on the cover 500 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,120 of any of the major magazines or TV shows. 501 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,480 Over Christmas, I watched MTV. 502 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,680 I saw no black star. 503 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,080 Plenty of black stars, but only black stars who do rock and roll... 504 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,200 And MTV refused to play Michael's video. 505 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,560 ..you don't see R&B. 506 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,080 He was outraged. 507 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,600 It was pure, blatant racism. Plain and simple. 508 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,840 Prejudice is ignorance. 509 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,760 Music has no colour. 510 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,160 I don't believe in that. 511 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,920 What I do, I don't want it labelled black or white. 512 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,120 I want it labelled as music. 513 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,640 A few of us at Epic and the president of CBS records, 514 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,360 we all went up there and explained why they had to play those videos. 515 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,000 They said, "You can't continue with a programme like this 516 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,400 "without honouring some of the best music that America has to offer. 517 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,000 "And some of the best music America has to offer is made and performed 518 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,280 "by black artists." 519 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,200 Period. End of discussion. 520 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,920 They only could look at the bottom line and say, 521 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,800 "You can't ignore these tracks." 522 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,840 And once they played Michael... 523 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,480 ..it took off. 524 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320 TV REPORT: Michael Jackson's album Thriller has been topping 525 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,600 various record charts, so it should come as no surprise 526 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,800 that Thriller is number one on Billboard's chart 527 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,040 of most successful pop albums. 528 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,480 Well, the title song from that blockbuster album, 529 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,400 now the subject of the most talked about music video to come along. 530 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,600 Take a look at this. 531 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,080 Thriller was an amazing piece of work. 532 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,600 Like, everybody loved it 533 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,880 and it just got bigger and bigger. 534 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,920 We love you! We love you, Michael! 535 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,320 TV REPORT: Michael Jackson was partying in New York. 536 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,360 The occasion - for selling 23 million albums. 537 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,200 He exploded. 538 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,360 Everybody wanted a piece of him. 539 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,080 Everyone wanted to see him. 540 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,120 CHANTING: Michael! We want Michael! 541 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,520 Michael Jackson's Thriller 542 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,440 is now the highest selling solo album 543 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,840 in the history of recorded music. 544 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,600 The number one artist in the world! 545 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,240 He is, simply put, 546 00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:19,320 probably the most exciting and intense performer of the decade. 547 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,040 PEOPLE SCREAM 548 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,440 You have something within your records that 549 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,520 everybody just loves. 550 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,040 Boy, I couldn't say. 551 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,880 I just created it. 552 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,560 Where do you think the gift came from? God. 553 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,880 CROWD CHATTERS 554 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,120 Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention? 555 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960 I need your attention right now. 556 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,480 I am saying for the last time, 557 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,520 as chairman of the Walk of Fame, 558 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,880 if you do not back up, this ceremony will be cancelled. 559 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,120 SCREAMING AND CHEERING 560 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,360 Ladies and gentlemen, 561 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,400 Michael Jackson! 562 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,920 We welcome him to the Walk of Fame. 563 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,000 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 564 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,640 The Thriller album was fantastic. 565 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,720 It was far exceeding anyone's expectations 566 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,440 about how big it was going to be, 567 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,560 and Michael was becoming sort of transcendent as a pop star. 568 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,200 But he was still very idealistic, very devout. 569 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,600 I mean, nobody had been that famous in the Jehovah's Witnesses yet. 570 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,600 It was very much at odds for the church for someone to be famous, 571 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,440 because any kind of notoriety could be considered controversial, 572 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,920 potentially. 573 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,280 Even his deciding to do the Thriller video. 574 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,160 The church was very paranoid about any demon influence 575 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,840 and anything with demonology, 576 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,680 and so zombies rising from the dead or anything related to the occult. 577 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,440 Suddenly, the hammer came down from the headquarters of the church. 578 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,920 And so when he realised that this was going to be a problem for him, 579 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,400 he panicked. 580 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000 He wrote, "Due to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress 581 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,560 "that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult." 582 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,280 And he had to put that at the beginning of the video 583 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,640 in order to get the church to go, "OK, you can release it." 584 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,320 It really created some tension. 585 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,880 On the one hand, fame brought him all this opportunity, 586 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,880 and I think he liked the adulation, it was very validating. 587 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,400 But I think he started to feel handicapped by the fact 588 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,600 that he couldn't pursue all his creative stuff, 589 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,080 that the church was constantly tightening the screws and saying, 590 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,920 "No, you can't do this. No, you can't do that." 591 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,000 And later on, he just made a decision. 592 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,360 He disassociated himself, 593 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,480 which basically meant he was leaving the church. 594 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,160 You know, I left the church in 1990. 595 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,680 And when you leave, the church completely cuts you off. 596 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,320 You know, you lose your whole foundation, you lose your family, 597 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,560 all of your friends. 598 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,760 You're really adrift in so many ways. 599 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,160 And when he left, he lost the thing that had grounded him for so long. 600 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,600 INTERVIEWER: How long have you had this beautiful beast? 601 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,800 Gosh. 602 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,280 During, um... A little bit before Thriller, I had him. 603 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,880 Probably about, almost a year. Almost a year now. 604 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,840 And this type of snake is not dangerous? 605 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280 Well, I don't think so. Some people might. 606 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,160 Could it be dangerous? Yeah, they squeeze. 607 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,320 They can really squeeze. 608 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,360 Erm... 609 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,960 I think he's great. What other animals do you have? 610 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,200 After Thriller, 611 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,360 I saw a completely different Michael Jackson. 612 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,000 I was his personal cinematographer 613 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,880 from 1981 to 1987. 614 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,960 And when I first met him, 615 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,000 Michael was really humble. 616 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,760 He was a true cool dude. 617 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,520 But after the Thriller album, 618 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,000 his personality started to get a little bit different, 619 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,520 more, um, eccentric. 620 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,280 PEOPLE TALK OVER EACH OTHER 621 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,200 Step, step, step. Watch your step. 622 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,640 I could see he enjoyed being around kids. 623 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,280 Hello! 624 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,920 Whoa! HIGH PITCHED: Whoa! 625 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,680 We're going to do our own interview here. 626 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,800 OK. This is the Michael Jackson interview show. OK? 627 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,840 So, how old are you, young man? 628 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,440 No, not how old are you. 629 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,960 What show are you on? 630 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,400 My show is Webster. 631 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,280 And who are you playing on the show? 632 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,120 Out of nowhere, Michael's good friend was Emmanuel Lewis. 633 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,800 Emmanuel Lewis was a star of the TV show Webster. 634 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,600 And then one day Michael calls me up and he goes, 635 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,120 "I need you to come over." 636 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,640 So I get there and he has Emmanuel with him. 637 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,040 They're dancing to one of his new songs 638 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,280 that never, ever was released, 639 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,280 and he's holding him like a baby. 640 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,440 And I could see Michael had a connection with children. 641 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,040 MICHAEL JACKSON: When a child steps in the room, I'm totally changed. 642 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,760 I feel their energy and I feel their spirit. 643 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,880 When I look in their eyes, 644 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,720 I feel healed. 645 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,200 What I saw, 646 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,680 Michael liked... 647 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,920 ..kids because of the fact that they weren't domineering, 648 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,240 they weren't asking for something. 649 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,920 You know, because you had too many of these producer bigwigs 650 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,600 coming over. 651 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,400 What I called and what he called "suits". 652 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560 And when the suits would come over, 653 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,120 it was a different atmosphere because they wanted something. 654 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,840 But then Michael got so big, 655 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,360 now it's just a business. 656 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,400 REPORTER: Jackson's image has been pressed into plastic. 657 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,280 In the short six months since they first came on the market, 658 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,240 Michael Jackson toys, dolls and other products 659 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,040 have been selling with a fury. 660 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,600 Jackson has become a mini conglomerate. 661 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,680 He is setting up five separate companies 662 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,520 to handle his business interests. 663 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,080 Albums, video cassettes, concert tours, 664 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,680 merchandising tie-ins. 665 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,480 This year, Michael Jackson is expected to earn 666 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,720 more than $50 million. 667 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,480 Michael Jackson made recording business history today 668 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,960 by closing the deal on the Beatles catalogue. 669 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,600 From now on, all those royalties go to Jackson. 670 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,920 Michael Jackson has a new manager. 671 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,440 Jackson has hired the vice president of promotion for Epic Records, 672 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,480 Frank DiLeo, to manage his booming career. 673 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,800 Formerly, Jackson was managed by his father, Joseph Jackson. 674 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,480 Mike decided to end the relationship with my father. 675 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,240 And his thinking and his thoughts were, 676 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,480 I need a manager who's much bigger and better 677 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,280 and someone who really knows what they're doing in this big industry. 678 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,480 But I think the part that became difficult 679 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,080 was the people that entered into his life 680 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,640 because this business can be very overwhelming, cut-throat, 681 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,320 and people will say and do anything to get into your circle 682 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,800 and to manage you. 683 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,720 And that part of it... 684 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,680 ..destroyed him. 685 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,600 Michael Jackson has not a song on his lips, 686 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,680 but a bottle of Pepsi-Cola. 687 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,480 This week, he signed up for $5 million or more 688 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,480 to promote Pepsi in concerts and commercials. 689 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,000 A lot of people are asking, 690 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480 why would Michael Jackson do commercials? 691 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,520 Well, the reason is, 692 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,640 is that these commercials are going to be just extraordinary. 693 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,000 They're using state of the art technology, 694 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,360 they're going to be creative masterpieces, no expense spared. 695 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,320 They asked me to direct them 696 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040 because I had success 697 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,200 and a relationship with Michael. 698 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,440 We were going to shoot two promotional commercials. 699 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,560 Even though Michael confessed to me 700 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,640 that he never drank Pepsi in his life. 701 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,520 We went down there and started shooting 702 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,320 and the plan was there was an explosion, 703 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,480 Michael would come down and dance. 704 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,200 Pyrotechnics added too much 705 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,120 and all hell broke loose. 706 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,840 LOUD BANG 707 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,400 SCREAMING 708 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,560 CONFUSED SCREAMING AND SHOUTING 709 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,160 REPORTER: The scene was wild as hundreds of fans tried to see 710 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,560 Michael Jackson as he was carried into a Los Angeles area hospital 711 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,640 with second and third degree burns on his scalp. 712 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,360 CROWD SHOUT AND SCREAM 713 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,920 I'll never forget the image of Michael being taken away 714 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,440 in a stretcher, 715 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,320 but smart enough to take his glove, the famous glove, and wave it. 716 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,080 But it was the beginning of a dark time. 717 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,880 ECHOING SHOUTS AND SCREAMS 718 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,040 I remember in the early years, 719 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,720 Michael would just come out and hang out. 720 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,960 It was just, it was casual, it was normal. 721 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,440 But at that point, 722 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,280 Michael started going out a lot less. 723 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,520 Everybody was like worried. 724 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,640 He would call all the time. 725 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,920 He would constantly reflect back 726 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,960 on things from his childhood. 727 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,720 When I went to the house after the Pepsi burn... 728 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,120 ..with Michael, there were some times where we would talk 729 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,880 and he would come a little close 730 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,440 and then I would say to myself, 731 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,800 "What is on his nose?" 732 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,280 And those were stitches. 733 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,040 Physically or visually, you could see that it had been, 734 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,880 you know, worked on. 735 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,040 I have a shot of Michael when he's leaving the Hayvenhurst house 736 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,520 and that was when I saw the change. 737 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,760 You know, the transition from the Negro look 738 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,520 to look like something different. 739 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,040 It was heartbreaking. 740 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,720 Michael was trying to erase something off of his face, 741 00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:01,960 and it was all the nastiness 742 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,960 and all the things that Joseph said about him. 743 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,640 But I think that set Michael on a very unhealthy pattern and path 744 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480 for the rest of his life when it came to, 745 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,400 uh, facial reconstruction and his skin colour. 746 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,480 But I don't think anybody was prepared 747 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,280 for how extreme it would get. 748 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,960 Michael! 749 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,040 CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 750 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:29,640 PHOTOGRAPHERS: Michael! Michael! 751 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000 Michael! Michael! 752 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,760 Michael, Michael! 753 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,880 CACOPHONY OF CALLS 754 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,200 Not since Thriller five years ago 755 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,760 has the record industry been so focused on a single album. 756 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,520 It's called Bad. 757 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,440 It's Michael Jackson and Bad right here on Kiss FM. 758 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,400 REPORTER: They were queuing all over America, snapping up 759 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,680 the first copies of Michael Jackson's latest offering. 760 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,480 But after five years of comparative seclusion, he's changed his image. 761 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,920 It's a lot of talk. 762 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,880 A lot of people are talking about it and how foolish he looks. 763 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,560 The look... 764 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,360 Well, the new look is not too hot, 765 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,400 but the album is great and he's a great entertainer. 766 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,200 I was a fan of Michael Jackson since I was a kid 767 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,520 from, you know, the Jacksons. 768 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,160 You know, I loved Off the Wall. 769 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,720 I was a talent manager at the firm that managed Michael Jackson. 770 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,440 And it was our job to manage his career and public image. 771 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,320 I remember when I met him, like, up close and personal, 772 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,400 I was just surprised at, like, how white he was. 773 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,400 I mean, and just almost like, almost like translucent. 774 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,400 That was good. Beautiful. 775 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,040 You know, we were wondering if he was bleaching his skin 776 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,320 or maybe it was make-up. 777 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600 I can remember one instance 778 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,680 and we had made this video. 779 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,720 It was like a multimillion dollar video, 780 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,800 we had David Fincher, you know, direct it. 781 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,640 I remember at one point he literally kind of broke down in tears 782 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,640 and he was kind of ranting like, 783 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,960 "I look like a monkey. I look like a monkey." 784 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,640 And I was like, thinking, "What?" 785 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,480 I mean, he looked great in the video, 786 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,680 but in his own mind, he, you know, he hated the way that he looked. 787 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,400 And some people mentioned, I think it's called baking, where they, 788 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,600 you know, could lighten him up throughout the video. 789 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,200 I mean, that word, "I look like a monkey." 790 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,400 First, it was kind of shocking from him. 791 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,880 I'm thinking, here's this huge, amazing artist, 792 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,440 and his own issues with self-image 793 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,920 actually became a form of like self-sabotage with his career. 794 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,440 I remember a lot of the black community felt 795 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,600 like he had deserted them 796 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,240 and thought that he didn't want to be black. 797 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,720 And it was really difficult because he was in the tabloids every week. 798 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,200 He sort of became a joke. 799 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,880 First problem is the sex problem. 800 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,640 The problem being, we don't know what sex he is. 801 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,200 AUDIENCE LAUGHS 802 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,120 The latest of the Michael Jackson rumours - 803 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,280 are Michael Jackson and his sister LaToya Jackson, 804 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,480 actually the same person? 805 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,800 I'm here with Lars Bundquist of the IOFCIRA - 806 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,640 the Institute of Facial Changes in Recording Artists. 807 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,120 And I understand you had a grant for the last six years 808 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,600 to study the facial changes in Michael Jackson. 809 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,720 That's correct, Dave. And it's been a full-time job. 810 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,480 To most of us, he's just Wacko Jacko. 811 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,400 And if some of the press are to be believed 812 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,160 he sleeps in an oxygen tent, 813 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,040 often with a chimp, a snake and an alien. 814 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,920 When you think of Michael Jackson, you don't first think 815 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,840 what a great artist, what a definitive performer. 816 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,720 You think, what a weird guy. 817 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,920 Record stores have been reporting disappointing sales 818 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,080 for the new album. 819 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,240 Some have already begun taking down the Bad promotional posters. 820 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,640 The Bad album had been released in the late '80s, 821 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,960 but it hadn't been as successful as Thriller. 822 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,480 We had to get him back to basics as an artist, as a singer, 823 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,280 and get away from the wacky personas and the trappings 824 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,920 and everything else and stuff. 825 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,880 CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 826 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,400 We had to make him more relatable to the public, 827 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,560 to answer the questions that people had about him, 828 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,000 about his skin, about Bubbles, 829 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,480 about everything. 830 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,280 Because up to that point, Michael hadn't done a major interview. 831 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,880 People hadn't heard him talk, 832 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,840 people didn't know anything about him. 833 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,280 And then Michael's managers had this idea 834 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,520 that he should do an Oprah Winfrey interview. 835 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,360 OPRAH CHATTERS 836 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,000 And the whole objective for that interview 837 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,320 was to humanise him to the world. 838 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,080 Oprah was calling every day, like five or six times a day. 839 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,400 Nothing was left to chance. 840 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,640 His whole career, his reputation 841 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,520 were dependent on this interview going well. 842 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,800 Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Jackson. 843 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,280 Hey. Hi, Oprah. Hey, hey. 844 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,600 Well, how nervous are you right now? 845 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,200 How what? How nervous are you right now? 846 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,640 Mm, I'm not nervous at all, actually. 847 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,880 You really aren't? 848 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,160 No, I never get nervous. 849 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,720 You don't? No. 850 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:46,600 Not even for your first interview and it's live around the world? 851 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,440 I thought you'd be a little nervous. 852 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,600 But that's great, because if you're not nervous, I won't be nervous. 853 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,680 I just wanted to let the world know that... 854 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,640 We were all watching it on TV, and it was pretty eye-opening. 855 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,040 I think it really was the first time that I can recall 856 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,840 where he ever sat down for a length of time, 857 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,160 answered the questions that we all wanted to know. 858 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,320 and was really pretty candid. 859 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,360 I was actually surprised how candid he was. 860 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,000 The main thing in that Oprah interview that was talked about 861 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,600 was his answer to his skin colour changing. 862 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,680 The colour of your skin is obviously different 863 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,640 than it was when you were younger. 864 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,680 And so, I think, um, 865 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,360 it has caused a great deal of speculation and controversy 866 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,040 as to what you have done or are doing. 867 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,080 Are you bleaching your skin? 868 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,360 And is your skin lighter because you don't like being black? 869 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,240 OK, number one, this is just the situation - 870 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,880 I have a skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin. 871 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,520 It's something that I cannot help. OK? 872 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,680 But when people make up stories that I don't want to be who I am, 873 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,440 it hurts me. 874 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,320 So it is... 875 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,240 It's a problem for me, OK? 876 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:01,680 I can't control it. 877 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,120 I'm a black American. 878 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,120 I'm proud to be a black American. 879 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,440 Yes! 880 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,560 The black community was really relieved to hear that. 881 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,800 You know, I remember people saying, 882 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,640 "Oh, well, that's why it was, of course. 883 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,760 "Of course, Michael wouldn't desert us. He has a disease." 884 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,720 It makes me feel some of the pain that he's feeling, 885 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,440 because I can look in his eyes and I can see the hurt in his eyes. 886 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,680 You know, he looks like he's so lonely and so hurt, you know? 887 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,160 And it makes me want to just reach out to him. 888 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,080 And it worked. 889 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,040 And it really changed a lot of people's perceptions of him. 890 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,600 It felt like Michael was back on top. 891 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,880 My name is Rosibel Smith. 892 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,480 In 1993, 893 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,920 I was working the Sexually Exploited Child Unit. 894 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,680 A case had come in involving a young boy who was 13 years of age. 895 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,240 And that the perpetrator was Michael Jackson. 896 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,640 We knew that it was going to be a huge case.