1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:09,480 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting and deals with Sexual Abuse 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,920 This is my...my inspiration. 3 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,280 Real quick. 4 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,360 The number one artist in the world! 5 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,480 That level of megastardom is not healthy. 6 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,280 People are not gods. 7 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,360 Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police 8 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,960 of multiple felony counts of child molestation. 9 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,440 The Jackson machine just keeps right on rolling. 10 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,920 Sony Corporation believes it has a profitable partner 11 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:32,200 in Michael Jackson. 12 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,320 Together, they could make $1 billion. 13 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,600 As NBC's Mike Jensen reports tonight, teach your kids to sing. 14 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,520 It's the kind of contract that takes your breath away. 15 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,840 A projected $1 billion for six Michael Jackson albums 16 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,320 plus feature films, videos and video games. 17 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,400 Michael, in the 1980s, 18 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,720 you had the largest selling album in history with Thriller. 19 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,960 Now, with Dangerous, you've given us 20 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,560 the fastest selling album of your career. 21 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,000 We're prouder than ever to have you part of the Sony Music family. 22 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,520 The thrilling fact is that the best is definitely yet to come. 23 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,280 FANS SCREAM 24 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,520 When I joined Sony, Michael Jackson was the biggest star in the world. 25 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,280 He was the guy. 26 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,520 I don't know any other way to describe it. 27 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,400 I mean, we all lived through it. 28 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,240 TV REPORT: The Michael Jackson world tour is on the road again. 29 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,200 It was incredibly exciting. 30 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,440 He was selling out stadiums, making record money. 31 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,000 He was the franchise. I mean, let's be honest. 32 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,040 FANS SHOUT 33 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,600 We are all in the business of succeeding. 34 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,080 And when you're working in a company like Sony Music, 35 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,040 you want Michael Jackson to succeed. 36 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,760 Michael! Michael! 37 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,720 My name is Rosibel Smith, 38 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,120 and for 31 years I was employed by the Los Angeles Police Department. 39 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,600 In 1993, 40 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,080 while working juvenile division at the LAPD, 41 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,360 I was working the Sexually Exploited Child Unit. 42 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,000 I was advised by my supervisor, 43 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,640 who was the officer in charge of the unit, 44 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,720 that a case had come in involving a young boy, 45 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,880 who was 13 years of age, 46 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,400 and that the perpetrator was Michael Jackson. 47 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,880 I was a little, um, in disbelief 48 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,600 that it was Michael Jackson doing this, 49 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,360 because I grew up watching Michael Jackson, 50 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,480 I knew the Jackson 5 cartoons when I was a kid, 51 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,760 and I really enjoyed his music. 52 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,200 CROWD SHOUTS AND SCREAMS 53 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:58,000 But we had a job to do, 54 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,840 and that job was to go out and just handle it 55 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:02,920 just like any other case at that time. 56 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:10,200 Our role was to find out if Mr Jackson 57 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,920 had committed the crime of 58 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,920 sexual molestation against children. 59 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,080 And on the same token, 60 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,160 we have to find out if the children, 61 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,880 they were telling the truth. 62 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,920 We had to interview the victim. 63 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,000 The victim had actually met Michael Jackson at a restaurant. 64 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,320 He was very, very little. 65 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,600 Then years later, 66 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,360 that relationship grew and they began to visit each other. 67 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:56,280 The victim was alleging that Michael would oftentimes 68 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,080 rub his body against his body. 69 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:04,080 He alleged that Michael Jackson fondled him and masturbated him. 70 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Um... 71 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:10,160 He alleged that Michael liked to have his nipples 72 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,880 rubbed, squeezed. 73 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,640 Kissing. 74 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Then they had graduated to oral copulation, 75 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,000 they bathed together 76 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,960 and to the point where eventually 77 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,720 Michael Jackson consumed his semen. 78 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,240 We had heard on the grapevine that there were these 79 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,120 allegations circulating. 80 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,800 And it was a shock to everybody. 81 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,320 Yeah, we knew he was hanging with kids, 82 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,640 but I saw him hang with the kids 83 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,560 and I saw that it was completely innocent. 84 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,320 CHILD SHOUTS, MICHAEL LAUGHS 85 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,720 I saw he was playing games with them. 86 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,360 I saw the kids wanting to hang with him. 87 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,200 Quicksand up ahead! 88 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,520 I really hoped the allegations weren't true. 89 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,000 The feeling was trying to contain it. 90 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,560 Obviously, we were thinking of, you know, 91 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,720 the immediate impact on the tour 92 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,600 because you got to keep the business going, the tour going, 93 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,160 the album sales, everything and the impact of that. 94 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,480 So it was pretty... It was pretty tense. 95 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,120 We went into crisis mode, both with our team and the PR team. 96 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,440 But ultimately, the story was so huge 97 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,880 it was going to get out no matter what we did. 98 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,520 There was no stopping it. 99 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,680 In Southern California, the press, police, lawyers 100 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,080 and private investigators are in orbit tonight over an investigation 101 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,960 of child abuse allegations involving superstar Michael Jackson. 102 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,800 There's still no comment from Michael Jackson this morning 103 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,280 and Los Angeles Police aren't saying much. 104 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,520 But they have confirmed reports of a criminal investigation 105 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,840 of the pop superstar. 106 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,040 All hell broke loose. 107 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,480 Television station KNBC in Los Angeles 108 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,600 first broke the story last night, saying that a mother had alleged 109 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,640 Jackson abused her child. 110 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,760 August 17th, the Los Angeles Police Department initiated 111 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,800 a criminal investigation of entertainer Michael Jackson. 112 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,080 Every news channel, every hour, 113 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,440 the top story was Michael Jackson. 114 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,000 Confidential documents obtained by NBC News 115 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,080 quoted the boy's reference to acts of oral sex and masturbation. 116 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,480 The allegations now surfacing are ugly enough 117 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,520 to shatter any icon's image. 118 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,840 Kids everywhere are talking about the scandalous accusations, 119 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,120 hoping they're not true. 120 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,120 Has Michael Jackson ever molested a child? 121 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Ever done anything improper with a child? 122 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,800 No, never. No, never. 123 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,640 That's crazy. Never. 124 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,520 My son is not guilty. 125 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,840 He'd need a trial. 126 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,200 These people aren't waiting. They're trying to... 127 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,640 Trying to... They're trying him. 128 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,280 That's right. And I'm tired of it. 129 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,360 CROWD CHANTS: Open the window! Open the window! 130 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,680 Everything was suddenly bad. 131 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:30,960 Everything was, um... 132 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,240 ..emotional. 133 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,760 Talking to Michael was different because he was different. 134 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,680 Suddenly, he was no longer the happy Michael that I used to talk to. 135 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,880 He sounded depressed. 136 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,720 I felt like it was over, like there was no way he could come back 137 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,480 from these terrible things being said. 138 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Eventually he came back to America. 139 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,080 We had the information from the victim about 140 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,360 Michael's body, 141 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,360 and specifically the markings on his body. 142 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,640 So the only way that a child would see that 143 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,400 is if Michael was nude. 144 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Then our unit prepared a search warrant to search 145 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,040 or to view Michael's body, 146 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,440 and this included the genitals. 147 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,240 We explained to him, we have a search warrant signed by the judge 148 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,040 to take pictures of your private parts. 149 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,280 He said, "You assholes". 150 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,200 The outcome 151 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,920 was that evidence that was provided 152 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,200 by Jordan Chandler... 153 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,840 ..it was confirmed. 154 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,240 INTERCOM: Can I help you? 155 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,600 Yeah, we'd like to talk to Michael Jackson. Has he come back? 156 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,120 I have no comment, sir. No comment, huh? 157 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,360 I don't necessarily think he's guilty, 158 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,800 but I don't necessarily think he's innocent either, 159 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,120 because I don't know. 160 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,680 Well, I don't know if he's guilty or not, 161 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:35,840 but I think that he needs to come back and face the charges. 162 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,560 He's looking pretty guilty right now. 163 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,560 PHOTOGRAPHERS: Michael! Michael! 164 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,640 TV PRESENTER: There is real fear tonight that the catastrophic 165 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,040 publicity will result in the destruction of a $1 billion empire 166 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,160 and the ruin of a man. 167 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,160 Sony stock has fallen 168 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,800 because investors are very much concerned that the huge investment 169 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,120 that they have in Michael Jackson is, in fact, not going to pay off. 170 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,800 When the allegations surfaced... 171 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,920 ..I read them, watched them on TV, 172 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,640 like everyone else did... 173 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,360 ..and I felt that they were extremely unfair. 174 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Michael Jackson was unequivocally 175 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,800 the biggest artist in the company. 176 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,960 And if he's not succeeding... 177 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,440 ..guess what? Jobs get lost. 178 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,320 Is Michael Jackson going to make any statement? 179 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,920 He's got a whole cadre of international cameras there 180 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,120 every night. 181 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,880 Up to that point, Michael had been laying low. 182 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,640 But once the allegations are out there, 183 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,880 you can't take them back again. 184 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:04,520 And so we needed to get him in front of the public 185 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,080 to unequivocally deny these allegations. 186 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Michael Jackson came out of seclusion today 187 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,400 without leaving home. 188 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,480 The pop star angrily rejected accusations he molested a young boy 189 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,480 and lashed out at police and the media. 190 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,760 There have been many disgusting statements 191 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,280 made recently concerning allegations 192 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,280 of improper conduct on my part. 193 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,320 These statements about me are totally false. 194 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,160 At every opportunity, the media has dissected 195 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,440 and manipulated these allegations to reach their own conclusions. 196 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,360 I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth 197 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,320 before you label or condemn me. 198 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,600 Don't treat me like a criminal because I am innocent. 199 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,840 Jackson's defiant declaration of innocence 200 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,280 comes as the latest counterpoint in a case 201 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,960 that's saturated with rumour, innuendo 202 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,160 and almost daily revelations about the singer. 203 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,200 Separating fact from fiction can be difficult. 204 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,840 For years I have been working for Michael, 205 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,720 who unfortunately has been the victim of this and other types 206 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,720 of extortion attempts. 207 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,720 The demand for $20 million was made and presented. 208 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,480 It was flatly and consistently refused. 209 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Many people try to extort Michael because of who he is 210 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,840 and, you know, the amount of money he has. 211 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,960 And these people wanted $20 million. 212 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,320 As far as the victim is concerned, 213 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:46,160 I did not get anything as far as any, like, money motivation. 214 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,400 However, the parents were a different story. 215 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,080 The Hollywood Reporter, an entertainment trade paper, 216 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,600 said today that the boy's father had negotiated with Jackson 217 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,640 for a $20 million movie deal. 218 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,520 The father is a prominent Beverly Hills dentist 219 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,360 and part-time screenwriter. 220 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,720 CBS News has obtained a taped phone conversation. 221 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,920 The voice is reportedly the father of the 13-year-old boy. 222 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,520 The father did in fact ask for money 223 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,720 to keep the situation quiet. 224 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,160 So it did... 225 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,000 ..hurt the case a little bit. 226 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,720 I think it's pathetic that somebody would go after someone like 227 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,960 Michael Jackson with such vigour, and it's obvious what they want. 228 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,600 And it seems obvious to me that he is innocent. 229 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,200 I know that there's a lot of people in this business that try 230 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,120 and take advantage of people and, you know, 231 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,720 I'm sure that it will all work out. 232 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,520 And I'm sure that he's innocent, you know? 233 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,840 But only God knows the truth, you know? 234 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,880 CROWD SCREAMS AND CHEERS 235 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,080 More and more, people started to question the allegations. 236 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,080 So the management team started capitalising on that momentum. 237 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,240 The main strategy was to, um, 238 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,960 endear Michael 239 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,040 to the black community 240 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,040 and to get the black community back on Michael's side. 241 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,680 Because once the black community's behind you, you got it 242 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,640 because, you know, we're a big group 243 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,720 and race relations at that time, 244 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,480 it was a hotbed. 245 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,640 SIRENS WAIL 246 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,120 NEWS PRESENTER: Parts of Los Angeles erupted in unrest 247 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,320 after a jury acquitted four white Los Angeles police officers 248 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,160 over the videotaped beating of Rodney King, a black motorist. 249 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,480 SHOUTING, SIRENS WAIL 250 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,840 What happened with Rodney King, it doesn't make no sense to me. 251 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,360 They treating black people like we're dogs, you know? 252 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,920 Like, we can't get nowhere. 253 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,400 We have no rights that the white man respect. 254 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,800 TV COMMENTARY: Race is tearing America apart. 255 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,720 Now, more than ever, minority Americans believe 256 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,560 there are two kinds of justice - 257 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,960 the white kind and the kind they get. 258 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,720 Someone was friends with this African-American attorney 259 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,160 named Johnnie Cochran. 260 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,880 And so he suggested that Johnnie would be the best person 261 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,440 for Michael's case, 262 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,400 not only because he's black, but also because he was brilliant. 263 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,920 Mr Cochran, let me start with you. Why do you think it was important 264 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,920 for Michael Jackson to speak out now? 265 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,600 Well, I think, Katie, that after months of being barraged 266 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,680 with negative attacks, it was time. 267 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,720 Everyone who was on Michael's team knew that having a black face 268 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,640 as the front man for the defence would, um... 269 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,160 ..bring the black community to Michael's defence as well. 270 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,240 APPLAUSE 271 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,920 The king of pop, rock and soul - Mr Michael Jackson. 272 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,720 APPLAUSE 273 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,720 Michael's first public appearance after his statement 274 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,840 about the allegations was at the NAACP Image Awards, and that's 275 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,840 the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. 276 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,000 APPLAUSE 277 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,720 I was in the audience when Michael walked out on that stage. 278 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,200 The house went crazy. 279 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,240 Everyone was in support of Michael. 280 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,920 No-one wanted to believe these allegations. 281 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,320 For decades, the NAACP had stood at the forefront 282 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,520 of the struggle for equal justice under the law 283 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,400 for all people in our land. 284 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,120 And his speech was based on being a proud black man 285 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,480 and how, you know, we have to stick together 286 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,040 against racial inequality and injustice. 287 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Everyone is presumed to be innocent and totally innocent 288 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,520 until they are charged with a crime 289 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,240 and then convicted by a jury of their peers. 290 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,280 RAPTUROUS APPLAUSE 291 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,120 It was such a powerful speech. 292 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,920 With all of the stuff that was happening to the black community... 293 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,640 ..it felt like Michael's innocence was important 294 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,920 and it was what we needed. 295 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,600 Everybody wanted him to be back on top. 296 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,720 The family of a teenage boy is dropping its charge 297 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,320 that Michael Jackson molested the boy. 298 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,880 Larry Carroll tells us the civil suit is now over. 299 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:25,000 We wish to jointly announce a mutual resolution of this lawsuit. 300 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,200 This boy wanted to get on with his life. 301 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,160 When that case was settled, 302 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:39,160 and I believe that the pay-out for that settlement was 20 million, 303 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,640 or maybe a little more over $20 million, 304 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,440 the family accepted the settlement. 305 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,720 The resolution of this case is in no way an admission of guilt 306 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,440 by Michael Jackson. 307 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,600 Being a megastar like he was, 308 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,840 he had the advantage with money, with attorneys, 309 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,240 with really coming out and doing pretty much whatever he wanted 310 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,960 in order to defend himself. 311 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,680 So that was pretty much the end of our case. 312 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,920 I felt bad because Rosie and I, 313 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,880 we were certain that we had a good case, 314 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,760 but when the victim doesn't want to testify... 315 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,280 ..there is a saying that says "no victim, no crime." 316 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,880 So, nothing that we could do. 317 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,360 Read all about it! Hollywood sex scandals! 318 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,000 Heidi's little black book. 319 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,040 The Hollywood Hooker and Heidi-gate. 320 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,240 Loni Anderson says, "Burt's a dud in bed." 321 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,400 Uh-oh! 322 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,120 In this billion dollar business, there's only one story 323 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,040 that's guaranteed - a big name in trouble. 324 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,760 That's the best news of all. 325 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,720 But of course, the one that's grabbing the headlines right now 326 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,040 are the allegations about Michael Jackson, 327 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,440 the biggest superstar in the world. 328 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,480 Michael Jackson is our window into the new news business 329 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,880 and the magazine shows, talk shows, news chats 330 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,000 that feed off tabloid truth. 331 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,640 Michael Jackson, 332 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,120 violator or victim? 333 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,640 What do you think about Michael? Well... 334 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,440 No, I think it's true. He settled for all that money. 335 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Yeah. He settled for all that amount of money. 336 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,920 I think something's up when he settles for over $10 million 337 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,360 to shut someone up. 338 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:37,800 I don't know, it's a shame, because I think Michael has been dragged 339 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,960 through the mud a lot. You know, I don't know if he's a victim 340 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,720 or if he did it or not, but like he's lost that wholesome image 341 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,960 forever, you know? 342 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,960 The allegations really changed how the public, I think, thought of him. 343 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,200 And Michael had to kind of rehabilitate that image. 344 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:08,720 People had been obsessed with Michael's sexuality his whole life. 345 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,600 And his managers thought it would be cool if the press found out 346 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,200 that Michael had a girlfriend. 347 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,360 Michael and Lisa started dating 348 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,960 soon after the allegations had been settled. 349 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,240 Michael Joseph Jackson. Lisa Marie Presley. 350 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,240 He knew that marrying Elvis Presley's daughter 351 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,640 would be headlines everywhere. 352 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,680 Everyone would be talking about that, 353 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,920 and they'd no longer talk about this horrible time in his life. 354 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,920 With this ring I do wed. 355 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,520 With this ring I do wed. 356 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,040 You've heard the talk for weeks. 357 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,600 It's surprising and it's apparently true. 358 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,720 The daughter of Elvis Presley confirms today 359 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,840 she is now married to Michael Jackson. 360 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,800 Let's go to Vince Dementri in New York. Vince. 361 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,760 John, hopefully you can see behind me the throngs of stargazers 362 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,840 right behind me. We are just outside of the world-famous 363 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,080 Trump Tower, where Donald Trump tells us, yes, indeed, 364 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520 that Lisa Marie Presley and her new beau, 365 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,200 Michael Jackson, are holed up here on the top floor. 366 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,240 Well, I'm very, very happy for them. 367 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,000 I think it's great. 368 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,440 They're very happy 369 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,760 and I think everybody's happy. 370 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,080 They're great people. 371 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,000 I first met Michael in 1988. 372 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,720 Michael was on tour in Germany at that time. 373 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,120 And so they called me and said Michael is a big fan of mine 374 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,040 and he would love to meet me. 375 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,240 And we hit it off. 376 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,200 And he got to know the whole family. 377 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,640 I also knew Lisa Marie Presley 378 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,040 because she spent lots of time in Los Angeles. 379 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,560 So I knew them separately. 380 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,680 And then later Lisa came to me one day and said, 381 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,000 "Look, Michael is hitting on me 382 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,120 "and he actually wants to marry me. 383 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,000 "What do you think? Should I do that?" 384 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,800 So I said, "Go for it." 385 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,320 For him, it was also he liked Lisa 386 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,520 because she was the daughter of The King. 387 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,160 So he was also a king - King of Pop, yeah? 388 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,400 CHEERING 389 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,480 This is a big deal. 390 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,520 We had never seen him get romantic with a woman like this. 391 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,000 Ever. 392 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,720 I'm very happy to be here. 393 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,840 And just think, nobody thought this would last. 394 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,600 LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE 395 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,120 EXUBERANT CHEERING 396 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,920 It did work in the way that Michael wanted it to work, 397 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,200 in that everyone was talking about it. 398 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,640 But at the same time the public wasn't really buying it. 399 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,040 It's all a cover-up. 400 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,000 It's all a cover-up from the little child thing. 401 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,920 That's what I think it is, and that's about it. 402 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,160 You don't think it's true love? No. 403 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,920 I think it's a sham. 404 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,720 Heterosexual marriage would certainly take some of the heat off 405 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,320 being accused of being a homosexual paedophile. 406 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480 FANS SCREAM 407 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,960 But Michael and Lisa were only together for around 18 months. 408 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,280 It's splitsville for Graceland and Neverland. 409 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,560 Many of you may find this hard to believe, 410 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,240 but Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson are getting a divorce. 411 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,640 So, Tony, it looks like the gloved one is no longer the loved one. 412 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,240 Oh, such a sad story. 413 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,960 Sorry to hear that, sorry to see that. 414 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,400 What a shock, what a surprise. 415 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,000 It was kind of hard to watch. 416 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,560 He was trying to maintain his position as like 417 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,760 the biggest superstar in the world, 418 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,280 and it wasn't quite working. 419 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,160 This is a man who changed the music industry. 420 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,640 He is a musical genius. 421 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560 And people don't think of him in that sense any more. 422 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,040 They think of him as a freak. 423 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,920 Is there any way that he can lift himself out of this trough 424 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,040 that he has largely dug for himself? 425 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,560 When he was working on the HIStory album, 426 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Michael called me and said, 427 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,240 "Look, I want to use some of your paintings for the artwork." 428 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,480 That was the painting that he really liked. 429 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,240 And then spontaneously he wrote this poem directly on the picture. 430 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,680 "With such confusion, don't it make you want to scream? 431 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,840 "You try to cope with every lie 432 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,680 "To scrutinise somebody 433 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,760 "Please have mercy 434 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,120 "Because I just can't take it." 435 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,640 If you listen to the lyrics and the songs 436 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,440 and the overall vibe of the tracks on HIStory, 437 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,000 they're very aggressive, they're very defensive. 438 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200 Even the Scream video is very dark for Michael. 439 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,640 Then for the HIStory album promo, 440 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,200 Michael chose a dictator-esque image. 441 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,240 He's got these military troops marching behind him 442 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,120 and a godlike aura. 443 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,360 That's what he wanted to push out there. 444 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,000 Still on top, still, you know, 445 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,280 the biggest pop superstar in the history of music. 446 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,680 NEWS PRESENTER: Tower Bridge was raised this afternoon 447 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,560 to allow a 30 foot statue of rock star Michael Jackson 448 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,840 to pass along the Thames on a barge. 449 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,040 SCREAMING AND CHEERING 450 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,400 I think it's brilliant. 451 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,400 It's just the best thing that's happened on the River Thames. 452 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,680 He's a mega star, yeah, they call him the King of Pop 453 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,280 so if he can afford to do this, why not? 454 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,360 For the HIStory tour, 455 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,360 Michael decided to focus on his fan base abroad. 456 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,560 And his popularity continued over in Europe and the UK, Asia 457 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,840 versus the US, where it was kind of slipping a little bit 458 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,120 because of the allegations and all the media circus around that. 459 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,240 CHANTING: Michael! Michael! Michael! 460 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,720 CHANTING: Michael! Michael! 461 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,360 It's like a dream come true. 462 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,080 I touched him! 463 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,920 I'm not going to wash my hand. 464 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,240 I remember this one time I was with Michael in Budapest... 465 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,000 ..and the hotel was surrounded, 466 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,840 under siege by thousands of young people. 467 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,720 CHANTING AND CHEERING 468 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,880 And what he did, he'd draw a curtain a little bit, 469 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,080 and then he had his glove on, 470 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,040 and people screeched. It was like an explosion down there. 471 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,240 FANS SCREAM 472 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,040 He was laughing and said, "Oh, my God, look! 473 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,480 "Did you hear? Do you hear?" 474 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,240 SCREAMING 475 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,560 I think there's a deep desire to look up for people 476 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,440 that are bigger than life, yeah? 477 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,080 As role models or as somebody you can worship. 478 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,920 I mean, I think that's what mankind needs. 479 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,680 But I think the danger is... 480 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,840 ..when everybody worships you, 481 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,200 is that you start to believe it in a way that 482 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,240 you start to worship yourself, and I think that's very dangerous. 483 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,480 Can I have a hug, please? Please, may I hug you? 484 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,720 Please? 485 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,800 SHE CRIES: I love you. I love you more. 486 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,840 But he was enjoying that. He liked to have that effect on people. 487 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,080 Love you. 488 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,840 Sir, sir. This way. 489 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,440 Germany loves you, Michael. I love Germany. 490 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,960 Oh, we love you. 491 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,600 GIRL SOBS 492 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,560 CACOPHONY OF NOISE 493 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,880 PAPARAZZI SHOUT 494 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,840 CAR HORN HOOTS 495 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,240 OK, OK, OK. Stay on the side. OK, of course. 496 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,080 Stay in that corner. Stay in that corner. 497 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,880 Stay in that corner. OK. Michael? 498 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,320 Michael? 499 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,360 Step back. Please. 500 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,160 MICHAEL JACKSON: Where's your camera? Yes, yes. 501 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,440 Please. 502 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,280 Please. Please. Please. 503 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,360 Come on. OK, please. 504 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,960 Go, go. 505 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,160 OK? 506 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,440 When I met Michael, 507 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,960 I saw that he was addicted to fame. 508 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,400 I was a well-known rabbi 509 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,640 and Michael and I had become friends. 510 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,240 Michael really needed to be loved, 511 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,160 and he chose to be loved in... 512 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,440 ..really, in an unhealthy way, 513 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,840 which was through superstardom 514 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,120 and the devotion of fans. 515 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Sir, you're in the way! 516 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,080 I said to him, "You've made the mistake of substituting love 517 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,240 "for this, this cheap forgery called attention. 518 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,440 "And attention is never a good substitute for love. 519 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,680 "It's never real." 520 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,080 This attention became an addiction 521 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,600 because he interpreted it as love 522 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,800 and it became a monster. 523 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,920 PAPARAZZI SHOUT 524 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,160 I felt that one of my principal objectives 525 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,920 was to tether him back to humility. 526 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,880 And so our conversations became kind of therapy. 527 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,240 He wanted every word 528 00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:51,160 recorded for posterity. 529 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,760 We recorded it on these two flimsy dicta machines, 530 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,720 you know, they're on these tiny little tapes. 531 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,040 CROWD CHANTS: Michael! Michael! Michael! Michael! 532 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560 FANS SCREAM 533 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,640 He needed something to live for. 534 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,320 And as he explained it to me, 535 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,240 he always wanted to be around kids. 536 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,560 He loved the innocence of a child, 537 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,720 he loved the creativity of a child 538 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,720 because for him, the adult world was people wanting money from him 539 00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,480 and people wanting to know him for all the wrong reasons. 540 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,680 CHILDREN SHRIEK 541 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,520 At that time in his life... 542 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,200 ..I think that Michael wanted to be a father. 543 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,320 CHILDREN SCREAM 544 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,120 Because kids, as long as you give them unconditional love, 545 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,960 they really give it back. 546 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,280 They are mirror reflections of the love that we give them. 547 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,760 And he was going to give them the greatest love, and they did. 548 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,440 And that's what happened. 549 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,760 Ooh! 550 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,600 Something to wear tonight. Teletubbies. 551 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,960 Who's that? 552 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,040 Lala. That's right, it's Lala. 553 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,240 I think having children gave him a renewed sense of purpose, 554 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,560 a renewed sense of energy and direction. 555 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,800 That's cute. 556 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:19,880 BABY WHIMPERS 557 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,040 That's a great shot. It is. It is. 558 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,440 It's OK. 559 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,760 MICHAEL JACKSON: I want to be successful at being a great father. 560 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,880 I want... I want them to say we felt completely loved 561 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,680 and he was, like, incredible. 562 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,440 That's my biggest dreams, one day for Prince and Paris 563 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,480 just to say to somebody, "He was the best dad." 564 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,320 One, two, three. 565 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600 ALL: Surprise! 566 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,320 Wooo! 567 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,280 CLAPPING 568 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,520 # Happy birthday to you 569 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,360 # Happy birthday dear Prince... # 570 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,480 I'd been working with Michael for four years 571 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,160 by the time he had his children. 572 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,840 When Prince and Paris came along... 573 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,880 ..I saw a different, a different person. 574 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,880 Can we do one where we all just point at the camera like this? 575 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,520 OK. All of us. 576 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,000 His life was now about the children. 577 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,320 That was his priority. 578 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,440 And he was getting more and more 579 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,960 absolutely clear about his future. 580 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,280 He was saying, "Dieter"... 581 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,920 .."I did everything I could do in my life for the music, 582 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,160 "and I think I did it well, and everybody made a lot of money. 583 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,880 "But new people coming, 584 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,040 "other music is coming." 585 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,480 And he had a feeling he will never be successful like he was, 586 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,800 and he was fine with it. 587 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,040 Michael said he didn't want to be a trained monkey forever. 588 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,520 It's over. 589 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,760 Will you give it to Howie? Come on, let's do it. 590 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,520 THEY LAUGH 591 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,800 But when you start not to do 592 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,960 what this, he called it system, wants, 593 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,120 then you're in trouble. 594 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,040 Let's make it three. 595 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,720 # You never... 596 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,000 # You never thought of before 597 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,720 # When you live, when you love 598 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,520 # And you give them your all 599 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,800 # You can always... # 600 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,320 Sony was pushing him to continue his career. 601 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,640 They were trying to get him to finish this album, Invincible. 602 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,600 Wasn't my business but, you know, screw the album. 603 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,520 We have to make your life healthy again. 604 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,400 So there was a war for the soul of Michael Jackson. 605 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,440 Sony Music was one of the biggest labels in the world, hands down. 606 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,680 And with Michael, 607 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,080 well, there's a lot of money changing hands. 608 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,800 So, yes, it's cut-throat. 609 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:45,360 But Sony Music was no more cut-throat than any other label. 610 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,240 Michael's relationship was a contentious one 611 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,160 with his record label. 612 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,960 I was there to help facilitate a record 613 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,760 he was putting out, called Invincible, 614 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,200 which was his official last studio record with Sony, 615 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,080 and things were going over budget. 616 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,600 We had rented out the entire floor 617 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,600 at the Plaza Hotel in New York. 618 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,640 And for anybody who doesn't know that, 619 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,680 that is extremely expensive, crazy. 620 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,760 And he wasn't even showing up for things. 621 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,280 FANS CHANT: Michael! 622 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,000 A record company is there to make money. 623 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,120 They are an investment firm in a way 624 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,960 who is invested in you to produce something. 625 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,000 CHEERING 626 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,120 When we got the phone call that this was, you know, 627 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,600 "How dare he? This was the most expensive record we've ever made." 628 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,760 You know? And I'm like, "Oh, OK." I'm like, "How much?" 629 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,720 "30 million." I'm like, ooh, sh...! 630 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,360 So it was kind of... It was a problem. 631 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,080 But everybody was really trying to get him in tow 632 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,160 so we could make a deadline for album release. 633 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,360 CHEERING 634 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,360 Thank you! 635 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,760 There's one time where I was asked to pick up a package at a house 636 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,600 that apparently was being sold and is empty, 637 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,400 and in the mailbox was this package. 638 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,800 And I opened it up and it happened to be full of Demerol, 639 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,920 which is a prescription pain medication, 640 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,480 but a lot of it. 641 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,280 It was a known thing that you don't ask. 642 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,680 I said, "What's going...?" 643 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,240 And I was like, "Oh, OK, um, never mind." 644 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,120 But then he would go to the studio as long as he had his magical pills. 645 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,880 But it was all so confusing at the same time. 646 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,400 It wasn't... I'm not there to look at someone and unwrap the package. 647 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,880 I'm there to get records done, right? 648 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,360 There were so many people who were reliant on him 649 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,160 to be the golden goose that lays eggs again. 650 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,560 But he knew that path was corrosive. 651 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,560 It frightened me. 652 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,720 There was too much conflict going on with him. 653 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,560 And I, I sensed and I saw that I was losing my influence. 654 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,360 And I told him, "I'm not going to watch you drive your life 655 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,880 "off a cliff and clap." 656 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,040 CHEERING AND SCREAMING 657 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,600 FANS SCREAM 658 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,080 TV COMMENTARY: Invincible has sold two million copies in six months 659 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,160 and that ain't invincible. 660 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,760 The flop of Invincible, along with a general downturn in sales, 661 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,720 means that Sony's share price has suffered of late. 662 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,240 Michael told me, "You know what? 663 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,520 "I can't do this any more." 664 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,960 Michael was done with the music 665 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,200 and with touring and all of this. 666 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,600 But Sony was not happy at all with this. 667 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,600 So he knew he has to fight 668 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,720 to come out of this situation. 669 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,840 From my vantage point, 670 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,680 he got a tremendous amount of support from Sony Music. 671 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,520 But you have to understand, they're artists, 672 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,320 they're all narcissists. 673 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,240 They can't help themselves, OK? 674 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,160 If their record's not selling, it's someone's fault. 675 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,160 You know, if their tour's not doing well, it's someone's fault. 676 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,160 Someone is always to blame. 677 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,200 Michael Jackson is the architect of his own destiny. 678 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,040 Like every single human being, 679 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,640 whether you're special or not, 680 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,080 you are the creator of the reality you live in. 681 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,280 I remember we were required to go to New York City, 682 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,680 and then he's whisked off to Al Sharpton's church. 683 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,560 I personally think he was jacked up on something. 684 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,320 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 685 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,640 Throughout the years... 686 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,880 ..black artists have been taken advantage of completely. 687 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,360 APPLAUSE 688 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,600 If Sony, Tommy Mottola... 689 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,640 Tommy Mottola is the president of the record division, 690 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,400 he is a mean, he's a racist... 691 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,480 ..and he's very, very, very devilish. 692 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,520 APPLAUSE 693 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,520 You know, this just... It just exploded right there. 694 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,440 NEWS REPORTER: Sony's statement reads, 695 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,320 "We were deeply offended by the outrageous comments Mr Jackson made. 696 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,200 "Mr Jackson has committed a serious abuse of power 697 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,000 "that comes with celebrity." 698 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,960 SHOUTING AND SCREAMING 699 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,720 Look at this. 700 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,880 CROWD SCREAMS 701 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,840 CROWD CHANTS: Sony sucks! Sony sucks! 702 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,440 Sony sucks! Sony sucks! 703 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,200 He told me, "Dieter, you need to help me. 704 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,560 "It's over." 705 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,320 He asked me to terminate all his contracts 706 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,640 with his lawyers, with his team, with everybody. 707 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,880 And he did want that I take over everything. 708 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,280 Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Michael Jackson. 709 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,280 And rather than writing you a letter, 710 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,400 I've found this format to be most efficient 711 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,440 for what I wish to communicate. 712 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,920 Dieter Weisner from Germany 713 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,160 and myself have entered into an agreement, 714 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,520 an exclusive long term partnership. 715 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,120 He gave me a power of attorney. 716 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,600 I will personally sign agreements. 717 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,240 I legally authorise my partners to sign on my behalf. 718 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,320 But he told me, "Dieter, the old team, 719 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,080 "they will be after you." 720 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,480 They called once and told me, 721 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,480 "You take our golden cow 722 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,400 "and you have to stop this." 723 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,600 And, um... 724 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,680 But I was on Michael's side, of course, and I did what he'd want. 725 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,120 I remember these words from Michael to me. 726 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,160 "I put my life and my future in your hand." 727 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,760 CHILD CRIES 728 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,760 Wait, wait, wait. 729 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,040 PRINCE CRIES 730 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,560 When it comes to distributing cookies, 731 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,200 we get to see children's real personality. 732 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,600 Here, come here. 733 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,480 Prince, over here, 734 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,960 before I grind you into hamburger. 735 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,040 No! You want the cookie, you behave. 736 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,240 PRINCE CRIES 737 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,800 Here. OK, here. Here's the cookie. 738 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,560 Paris, do you want some of this? 739 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,600 By that time, I wasn't involved in his life. 740 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,960 Paris, are you going to say thank you? 741 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,640 Turn around. 742 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,640 Paris, you want that? 743 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,240 I received a phone call from... 744 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,960 ..a producer that worked with Martin Bashir. 745 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,000 Martin Bashir wants to interview Michael Jackson. 746 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,000 OK. You're getting the big one. 747 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,560 I got off the phone and I went to Michael and said, "First of all, 748 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,800 "your life, it's not ready to be open to the public. 749 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,520 "Stay a billion miles away from this guy." 750 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,040 But Michael was an insecure person 751 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,720 who is going to look for the validation of the public. 752 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,160 He wanted to talk about his whole life, 753 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,640 his career, 754 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,480 that people really understand him. 755 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,280 So Martin Bashir followed Michael for eight months. 756 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,000 How do you write a song? 757 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,680 How do you write a song? 758 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,320 When I wrote Billie Jean, 759 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,080 I was writing in my car down Ventura Boulevard. 760 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,080 All I said to myself beforehand, 761 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,520 I want to write a song with a great bass hook, you know? 762 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,480 SINGS THE BILLIE JEAN BASS LINE 763 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,680 You know... Where did that come from? 764 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,600 From above. The dance as well? Yeah, same thing. 765 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,080 How do you do it? 766 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,600 Can you show me how you do it? 767 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,240 Oh, boy. Come on, just get up and... I'm shy. 768 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,280 Oh, come on, just show me. Just show me... 769 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,440 Just show me. Show me what you do. 770 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,840 Teach me. 771 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,080 OK. Er... 772 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,440 Oh, boy. You're putting me on the spot now. 773 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,080 Come on. Now people are discovering something about me. 774 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,800 I'm really shy, I'm embarrassed. OK, you're shy. Just get up and show me. 775 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,800 Erm... OK. 776 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,160 Michael opened the door for everything. 777 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,360 CROWD CHANT AND CHEER 778 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,040 Michael had just had another child. 779 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,800 We was in the room together 780 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,920 and Michael heard the screaming from the fans. 781 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,680 It was a beautiful feeling. 782 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,000 CROWD CHEERS 783 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,880 And Michael was so excited. I was behind him. 784 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,480 He took Blanket... 785 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,360 ..but he had him really fast under his arm. 786 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,920 CROWD CHANTS 787 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,120 CROWD SCREAMS 788 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,680 And the next morning I came out of my room 789 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,440 and I saw all over the newspaper. 790 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,960 That was not a nice, not a nice picture. 791 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,120 But, of course, Martin Bashir, he was there. 792 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,680 I love you. Here he is. 793 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,760 But I want to give you this bottle! 794 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,200 Wait, wait. Ah! 795 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,680 Here's the bottle. 796 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,640 It's OK. Just get this off. Ow! Oh, please don't cry, Blanket. 797 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,360 BABY CRIES 798 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,360 OK, OK. Here we go. A-boo. A-boo. 799 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,720 A-boo! Boo, boo, boo! 800 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,720 BABY CRIES 801 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,080 Yes. A-boo! 802 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,640 Blanket. Blanket. 803 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,400 Blanket. Blanket. Blanket! I love you! 804 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,160 Blanket. Yes, yes, yes! 805 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,000 Have you been hearing about what people have been saying? 806 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,680 It's totally ignorant. 807 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,280 I would never do that to my children or any child. 808 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,520 Try to kill them? Come on, stupid. 809 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,520 And why would I put a scarf over the baby's face 810 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,160 if I was trying to throw him off the balcony? 811 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,360 We were waving to thousands of fans down below and they were chanting, 812 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,120 they wanted to see my child. 813 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,520 So I was kind enough to let them see. 814 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,520 I was doing something out of innocence. 815 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,840 When Living With Michael Jackson airs this evening, 816 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,120 these streets are going to be deserted. 817 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,920 Fans and critics alike are saying they're going to be staying in 818 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,520 to watch the programme. 819 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,000 With his reputation in America very much at stake, 820 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,920 for Michael Jackson, it must be a nervous wait. 821 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,960 I didn't want that we watched the documentary 822 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,280 until I know what happened. 823 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,040 But Michael, of course he want to see it. 824 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,880 We watched it on TV together. 825 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,720 Eight months ago, I put a proposal to Michael Jackson - 826 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,000 show me the real man 827 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,200 but show me everything, make nothing off limits. 828 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,680 He thought about it and then he said, "Yes, come to Neverland." 829 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,200 We began a journey together across continents, 830 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,080 through his past and rapidly into the disturbing reality 831 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,680 of his life today. 832 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,280 In the documentary... 833 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,600 ..was this young boy, Gavin Arvizo. 834 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,280 And he was taking care of him. 835 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,400 When people hear that children from other families 836 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,960 have come and they've stayed in your house, 837 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,760 they've stayed in your bedroom... 838 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,680 Well, very few. 839 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,760 But you know, some have. 840 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,760 And they say, 841 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,840 is that really appropriate for a man, a grown man, to be doing that? 842 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,360 How do you respond to that? 843 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,400 I feel sorry for them because that's judging someone 844 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,320 who just wants to really help people. 845 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,960 Why can't you share your bed? 846 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,160 The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone. 847 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,640 When I saw this, I got a very bad feeling. 848 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,880 When you're talking about children, 849 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,160 if I said, "Well, I've invited some of my daughter's friends round, 850 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,640 "or my son's friends round, 851 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,880 "and they're going to sleep in the bed with me tonight..." That's fine. 852 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,840 What do you think their parents would say? 853 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,000 If they're wacky, they would say you can't. 854 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,840 I suppose the problem for many people 855 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,200 is what happened in 1993 856 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,840 or what didn't happen. 857 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,440 What didn't happen. 858 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,440 One bombshell after another about his bizarre behaviour 859 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,760 in a new British documentary. 860 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,960 Jackson admits he still has sleepovers with young boys. 861 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,120 I felt... 862 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,280 ..shock. Absolute shock. 863 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,680 Have you lost all touch with reality... 864 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,680 ..that you don't even know how people are going to 865 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,960 react to that? 866 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,760 He said he slept in a bed with children that are not his own. 867 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,800 I mean, this isn't made up, this isn't fabricated. 868 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,120 What kind of loony would, A, do it, 869 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,640 and, B, go on national TV and admit it? 870 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,640 Michael crossed lines that clearly are uncrossable. 871 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,800 Sharing a bed with a child that's not yours, 872 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,000 even if it's not sexual, it's still insanity. 873 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,160 We got the reaction from all over, of course. 874 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,880 It was terrible. 875 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,360 You can't sleep with strangers' kids. 876 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,040 As much as I love Michael Jackson, 877 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,200 I'm having a hard time defending him right now. 878 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,080 I believe that child welfare services should interview 879 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,720 every child that has been at Neverland 880 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,480 with Mr Jackson in his bedroom or anywhere else in the home 881 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,360 without the presence of their parents, 882 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:15,640 find out what's going on. 883 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,280 He couldn't talk, 884 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,200 and he was sitting on his bed crying. 885 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,240 What's ahead for Michael Jackson? 886 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,720 What do you think's ahead after this? Oh, a real bumpy road. 887 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,560 I don't think he'll recover from this one. 888 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,400 That documentary led directly or indirectly 889 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,360 to Michael Jackson's death. There's absolutely no question about it. 890 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,080 That was the beginning of the end. 891 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,960 Michael Jackson wasn't the ordinary paedophile. 892 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,520 He had the means to be able to do things 893 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,080 that no-one else I had ever prosecuted could do. 894 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,600 An estate that was 2,800 acres, 895 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,560 and a huge house with multiple locks, 896 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,040 a staff that just ignored what was going on. 897 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,960 That was unique to Michael Jackson. 898 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,520 Gavin, can you tell us what your conversations, 899 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,200 what you guys talked about? 900 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,360 We had lost the opportunity ten years earlier. 901 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,520 And we were determined that that not happen again.